“I have it very difficult with Orban

Marianne Thyssen (CD&V), the Belgian Commissioner for Social Affairs, denies that the EPP, the European values group by Orban on board. ‘At our congress, we will be using a resolution test everyone on our line.”

The European christian democrats (EPP) prefer tomorrow at their conference in Helsinki their topkandidaat after the European elections in may, Jean-Claude Juncker to follow at the head of the Commission …

The European christian democrats (EPP) prefer tomorrow at their conference in Helsinki their topkandidaat after the European elections in may, Jean-Claude Juncker to follow at the head of the Commission. The choice between Manfred Weber, the German leader of the EPP in the European Parliament, and former prime minister of Finland Alexander Stubb. Stubb he portrayed himself in the campaign as a centrumfiguur that impassioned plea for the European values and hard uithaalde to Viktor Orban, the Hungarian prime minister that with these values to get going.

It seems that for Weber the easy retrieves. Is that not a sign that the EPP is more and more shifting to the right, away from the christian democratic roots? Weber is softer for Orban than Stubb.

“No. Weber is the leader and the whole group represent, Stubb can speak frankly. When the European Parliament voted on the report Sargentini, voted Weber for the activation of article 7. I know that he is very into his stomach and want this to be solved. It is not that he wants to cover them to ensure that the EPP is once again the largest fraction is. There is a Weber too serious for that.’

You vote on a resolution that highlights how important the respect for the European values and the rule of law. The text sums up neatly everything Orban his boot on lapt. You are going to this so approve …

‘And then proceed to the order of the day? No. It is clear that the resolution does not happen. This proves that we want to test everyone, our values are still based. We are also our articles on the change: there is an ethics committee that a code of conduct should be drafting to problems internally in accordance with a procedure to deal with it.’

What is now missing.

“We have not now. Now we can only someone buitenzetten, or not. But for the first seven delegations from five states to send a letter to the president of the EPP, and then you have to have a majority for to find. But I personally have it very difficult with the case-Orban. We will see how the Hungarians vote on that resolution. The presidency of the EPP, where I share home, already has a lot of time on this case spent, and there are sometimes harsh words. But there are still people within the party who think that they are, the more pressure you can exert on Orban by him on board.’

Juncker believes that Orban is no longer a place within the EPP. What is your position?

“When I see what is happening in Hungary it happens, I agree with Juncker. I have the very difficult. But not just someone outside.’

Fear you not that your support for Orban you topkandidaat acid can break up in the campaign?

“Every party is now vulnerable in the elections. Europe has problems from the outside, with the crumbling multilateralism, trade relations that are under pressure, just as the trans-Atlantic relationship with our friends that are no longer what they were. But from the inside we are vulnerable, due to threats of extreemnationalisten, populists and opportunists. We are a party of the centre and as such is always vulnerable have been because we are a broad people’s party who, on the one hand/on the other hand, says. I know that in Flanders, also laughing but in the end, many people remain in that message and believe it. It is not easy to get the message across.’

How can you, the voters, to recover that which now fall for eurosceptics?

“By results, and in our discourse, to show that we are our policies also focus on the problems of the normal middle group of people who are not gay but are married and their husband or wife to remain and which do not with special difficulties. They often find that we too preoccupied with ourselves or with exceptional cases.’

There are today more people at work in the EU than before the crisis of 2008. You have said that there is in the world few places where it is better to live than in Europe. And yet, after the elections, one international representative on the four extreme right-wing or populist parties. Results should be enough so not.

“It is socio-economically better, and we have done what we promised, but we must also look at the quality of the jobs. There are people with precarious contracts each month an extension should be given and, therefore, no loan loskrijgen at a bank, or certain decisions, did not dare to take. The youth unemployment rate is now at 14.7%, the lowest level since 2000. But also here we must look at the quality of the jobs and to the challenges of digitisation and globalisation bring. Therefore, we propose to also for them to improve working conditions.’

You have fought hard for the launch of the pillar of social rights for workers, but I don’t think that the employees of Aviapartner or BPost impressed.

“We can also Ryanair have to take, where we did a stone have shifted. The pillar of social rights is a compass for the future, and all member states have therefore committed. But also the European trade union confederation, that it is incredible to find that we were successful in doing, this should explain to its members and support this.’

Do you pay not the price for the “Wir schaffen das” of Merkel?

“I have Merkel before, congratulations, and I would still do it.”

But Salvini is flourishing in Rome, Alternative für Deutschland flourishes, the Rassemblement National of Marine Le Pen is back. The migratiecrisis has the fear fuelled to the people who are already the losers of the globalization, some say.

‘Merkel has not said that the gates opened and everyone was welcome. It has, however, shown that they christendemocraat and we, as Europeans, our international obligations. I find that brave, because the migratory movement is there and the pressure will continue whether we like it or not. We will have to look for ways to cope with that. But that is a difficult story, and I know that the populists exploit this.’

The economic and the migratiecrisis in Italy led to the formation of a government that daily to ‘Brussels bashing’. How worried are you about Italy, a kernland of the EU?

‘It’s been a long time ago that there is political stability in Italy: there is the contrast between the north and the south, the corruption, the mafia. But it worries me, of course, that there are two parties in power that outright say that the budget is their thing.’

And of course there is a democratic problem. Those two parties are elected on the basis of a programme, where the European Commission observes that the rules are the rules are and their draft rejects. Why do we have elections?

‘In which reasoning can extreme parties say that everything is from scratch, that the constitution and international treaties no longer count because they are elected. Premier Salvini threatens to Europe to leave, but Di Maio (deputy prime minister and the leader of the Vijfsterrenbeweging, ed) comes up to me to ask if he money from the European Social Fund can use to get the basic income, which he has promised to fund it – because he can’t pay. But should the Fund not for. They promise things that they can’t pay. It is in the interest of the Italians that we are the government in Rome asking for a new budget. If the financial markets as the Italian debt is not more want to refinance, stuikt in each other and the Italians are even worse off. There is democracy at the level of the member states, but also at the level of Europe. Who a club should be the rules.’

The Bulgarian politocoloog Ivan Hrastev writes in his book ‘After Europe’ that he begins to fear for the disintegration of the European Union. Do you share that fear?

“I share that fear not. Some politicians dare to opportunistic reasons, a lot to tell. But if it comes down to it, they draw the European map because they know that otherwise, there would be a lot worse.”

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